Soteriology101 Brian Wagner Says No One Could Have Been Elected From Eternity Because No One Existed. Is He Right? Let’s Check His Theory and See if it is Correct or Man-Made to Escape the Truth of Reformed Soteriology

I soon hope to talk about “LEIGHTON FREE WILL.  But it looks like I am going to continue with Mr. Wagner for a while exposing his total dislike for the Reformed Faith.  Now he would never call it the Reformed Faith, to him, it has to be caaaalllviiinnnnsssmmmm.  That old dirty curse word full of false doctrine.  I read what Brian writes on soteriology101 about reformed believers and it comes out a pretty rough and straight forward oftentimes.  He simply does not like the Reformed Faith but must believe we are preaching the gospel if he is calling us brother and sisters in Christ.  But then after I read what he writes about the reformed faith I want to say, “Brian, why don’t you tell us how you really feel.

First of all, I must always remind people that while Brian is refuting the Reformed faith while he himself is in great deception by Satan himself worshiping the diminished humanistic heretical god of Open Theism.  (I am sure this why he will not talk with me any more which is OK with me he has given me plenty of Anti-Calvinism stuff of His understanding to talk about.)  I explained to Brian that when I discuss these issues I am not discussing  Calvinism or what I call the Reformed Faith I am really just discussing the false teaching of man called Anti-Calvinism. This is very troubling in itself and I have tried to engage this issue with him but he is very sensitive about it. (Open Theism that is)  Brian did not even wanted to discuss it on Soteriology101 but wanted to move the conversation to private email.

Ephesians 1:4 -even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.

2 Timothy 1:9 -who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,

Brian has a very ambiguous and confusing understanding of these two verses that I or Dr. Sean Cole who did emphatically did refute Brian Wagner soundly (and Brian does not seem to be able to respond or refute Sean) have ever seen. I do not think he wants to tangle with Dr. Sean Cole he would rather stay on Soteriology101 in his comfort zone where he can sound intelligent (I see right through it, though) and condescending to those interacts with.  No, I do not mean Brian is wicked or evil. He is very Christlike but uses wordplay and word games to confuse. I have always told him is intelligence is his greatest weakness maybe that was a mistake. I will not take the time to exegete these verses as I have done and Dr. Sean Cole has done but Brian although presented with the truth the Holy Spirit has not opened his eyes to that truth so he remains stubborn with his own personal understanding of these verses although Dr. Sean Cole said his Greek is terrible when it came to Ephesians 1:4.  Is Brian maybe being disingenuous as he accused Calvinists of maybe being disingenuous on the translation of Revelation 13:8 on Soteriology101? I admit the traditional translation is more reliable, but I have found many scholars argue for the other translation although they are more than likely wrong but Revelation 17:8 pretty much covers it.

Ok, in a nutshell, this is what Brian’s says about individual’s or a particular people being elected in Christ from eternity, before the world began, before the foundation of the earth.  He says this because “no one existed in eternity to be elected in Christ so it is an impossibility”

Now I personally think Brian forgets who we are talking about, the God whom nothing is impossible for but remember Brian worship a diminished humanistic heretical god of Open Theism.  He tries to make Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipotent infinite whose understanding is infinite and that implies his knowledge is exhaustive without limits, in Christ in whom is all wisdom and knowledge, Brian seems to try and make a god in man’s own image, to make the High and lofty one altogether like one of us, just much more intelligent than us.

Professor Brian Wagner forgets that God thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways are much much higher than our ways.  We are just poor pitiful creatures of the Almighty Creator.

Above is not my defense, I just wanted to celebrate the True and Living God of heaven and my Salvation and remind Brian that nothing is impossible with God but Brian’s rejects that Statement when he says no one could have been elected before the foundation of the world because they did not exist.  Brian Limits the Holy one of Israel with his understanding that is absolute nonsense.  Now for my two examples as to why Brian is wrong, one is positive and the other is negative the way Brian would see things.

Jeremiah 1:5 -“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

Now I am sure Brian will try and find away to twist this text as he often does to avoid Calvinism but it is as plain as the nose on your face.

God says of Jeremiah BEFORE I FORMED YOU IN THE WOMB I KNEW YOU. THAT IS BEFORE JEREMIAH EVEN EXISTED GOD WAS INTIMATELY AQUAITED WITH THIS PROPHET TO BE WHICH SAYS HE WAS INTIMATELY AQUAITED WITH ALL THOSE ELECTED IN CHRIST BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, EPHESIANS 1:4 2 TIMOTHY 1:9 DR. SEAN COLE!!!!!!

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee,…. Not merely by his omniscience, so he knows all men before their conception and birth; but with such a knowledge as had special love and affection joined with it; in which sense the Lord knows them that are his, as he does not others, and predestinates them unto eternal life; and which is not only before their formation in the womb but before the foundation of the world, even from all eternity. The forming of the human fetus is God’s act, and a curious piece of workmanship it is; see Psalm 139:15

Now for the reverse way of refuting Brian, in a sense of being on his side but showing him that his way is just irrational ridiculous and nonsense and nothing but his mere man-made philosophical idolatry of Open Theism.

Revelation 13:8 -All those who had become settled down and at home, living on the earth, will worship it, everyone whose name had not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the lamb that had been slaughtered since the foundation of the world.

Speaking as Brian would on the latter half of this verse I have come to the conclusion that this verse is faulty and should not be in the scriptures.

It says “that the Lamb had been slain or slaughtered since the foundation of the world or before time began, or from all eternity.  This is impossible, according to Brian Wagner.  This verse does not say it is a prophecy or a prediction.  But it just cannot be because Christ was still pure spirit. The incarnation had not happened yet.  No cross, no Roman soldiers, No Pharisees, No Judas, No reason to die.  But it was in the mind of God before the foundation of the world has had already happened.  Look at it again.  THE LAMB THAT HAD BEEN SLAUGHTERED SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.  WAS THE LAMB SLAIN WHEN THE WORLD WAS MADE?  I DON’T THINK SO, BUT IT WAS IN THE MIND OF GOD SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD AND I BELIEVE FROM ALL ETERNITY.  BUT IT SAYS IT IS ALREADY DONE.  HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE BRIAN?

I will leave you with this Brian, GOD’S THOUGHTS ARE NOT OUR THOUGHTS AND HIS WAYS ARE SO MUCH HIGHER THAN OUR WAYS, WHY DO YOU LIMIT THE HOLY ONE WHO CREATED YOU?????

 

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