I tell you the truth about one thing though. I am so sorry about the way Dr. Flowers and his friend were treated in such a nasty sinful, UnChristlike way by these two men who are professing to be Christians and Calvinists at that. It was uncalled for and the moderater was not capable of responding to his responsibilities. That is why I say Dr, Flowers is a very kind, gentle, godly Christlike man. He has not been perfect, but most of the time his conduct I must confess has been blameless when interacting with Calvinist. Most of the time he is seeking to understand I have noticed, He does pushback and he should.
But in this free-will debate, Dr. Flowers is so patient, so self-controlled. (which is the fruit of the Holy Spirit, indicating he was really being Christ-Controlled as he yielded and cooperated with the Spirit’s power and Christ’s sanctifying work within him. He finally spoke with Godly firmness and said, “Brother, (pleasing in mercy and grace but in godly firmness) can I complete one sentence without being interrupted. The man immediately backed down and Dr. Flowers was finally able to speak. In that debate I believe Dr. Flowers when he was finally able to speak he was at his best defending and refuting what he believed and disbelieved.
But the other two Calvinist Christians, (I hesitate to call them that but only God can judge the heart) did not respect Dr. Flowers and His debate friend, whose name escapes me at this time. They shamed themselves and did not adorn the gospel of Christ with the beauty of Holiness. Nor did they walk worthy of the Gospel of Jesus of Jesus Christ.
The Apostle Paul had a Godly jealousy toward those Christians who were under His care and Spiritual welfare. He would often in a Godly Love be braggadocious about their love, faith and good works to others mentioning how it had spread abroad.
So when I mention Dr. Flowers. Brian Wagner and Eric the Admininastater on here as being a Holy Loving Triad. That is Christlike and Godly men having holiness of the heart of heart and life, that inward beauty of Christ within them being manifest outwardly. I am not looking for browny points or trying not to get banned.
No, I am trying to get us all to follow their Godly Holy and loving example. To follow them as they follow Christ. Nothing more and nothing less. Brothers because what I have read on here. We all need to look in the mirror of God’s word and see how we measure up. God has not lowered His standard of Holiness for anyone. He expects us daily to strive for perfection in Holi8ness. To perfect holiness in the fear of the Lord.
.2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, since we have these [great and wonderful] promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, completing holiness [living a consecrated life—a life set apart for God’s purpose] in the fear of God.
Did not God command us, “to be Holy as he is Holy.” The God of Holiness has not lowered his standard of Holiness for anyone, other than the fact we as Christians have redefined sin and created a god in our own image. Now I thank God for the blood of Jesus and for what is called the “Great Exchange” When Jesus, as a Lamb of God for sinners slain on that Holy Cross of Calvary,” There our sins were imputed to Him and His righteousness imputed to us. Jesus’, the God-Man, who walked a perfect sinless obedient life while here on earth even to the point of Death, That was His righteousness that was imputed to us. The righteousness of Christ imputed to ungodly sinners who were completely undeserving, unmerited grace, deserving condemnation, the wrath of God, hell and eternal punishment in the lake of fire for all eternity and eternal separation from the presence of the Lord forever. The Kingdom of God is righteousness, peace, and joy in the HolyGhost. I want some of that. 🙂 Praise is to the Glory of God’s grace by which he has made us accepted and blessed with the righteousness of Christ in the Beloved. The Father’s Beloved Son in whom he is well pleased. We who are now in Christ, have put on the Holy garments of Christ, the Garments of Salvation, that Royal Robe of Righteousness, and have become Kings and Priests before our God in heaven.
2 Corinthians 5:21 He made Christ who knew no sin to [judicially] be sin on our behalf so that in Him we would become the righteousness of God [that is, we would be made acceptable to Him and placed in a right relationship with Him by His gracious lovingkindness].2015 Amplified Study Bible
But underneath this Robe of Righteous is the “on-going never-ending work of the sanctifying work of Christ through the Power of the Holy Spirit” It is what we have been predestined to, to be conformed into the image of Christ. His likeness, which is the fruit of the Holy Spirit, love as described I Corinthians 13 and so much much more given within and descriptive in the Holy Scriptures. This process of sanctification is “gradual, slow and sometimes it is hardly noticed or cannot even be seen. Sometimes it is even retarded when the beloved of God backslides. Just as King David did in committing Adultery with Bathsheba. King David was in unrepentant sin for 9 months. Reading the Psalms we see the anguish of heart mind and body David went through for his backsliding and unrepentant sinfulness. But God had promised a long time ago that he would not remove His Mercy from King David as he Did with King Saul. This is an absolute God-promised truth for a professing and actual genuine possessing Christians in Christ who has backslidden in sin. God will heal their backsliding as he comes with healing forgiving grace in His wings.
Hosea 14:4 – I will heal their apostasy and faithlessness;
I will love them freely,
My anger has turned away from Israel. 2015 Amplified Study Bible
NKJV Hosea 14:4 – “I will heal their backsliding,
I will love them freely,
My anger has turned away from him.
Psalms 35:18 –
The Lord is near to the heartbroken
And He saves those who are crushed in spirit (contrite in heart, truly sorry for their sin). 2015 Amplified Study Bible
A Godly sorrow that leads to true repentance unto Salvation.
Isaiah 54:10 – Though the mountains are shaken and the hills be removed, yet my unfailing love for you will not be shaken nor my covenant of peace be removed,” says the LORD, who has compassion on you.
Malachi 4:2 – 2 But for you who fear My name [with awe-filled reverence] the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go forward and leap [joyfully] like calves [released] from the stall.
God has saved us completely and forever, to the uttermost and Jesus our high priest daily makes intercession for us, before the throne of God. David’s sanctification had come to a complete stop. So God sent a Prophet and firmly rebuked him and David repented and was restored but not without severe consequences. You can read this for yourselves in the Psalms.
So the process of being sanctified in Christ by the Power of the Holy Spirit, not to mention through the instrumentality of the word of God. Jesus said Father sanctify them through your truth, your Word is truth. This process is gradual, slow, hardly noticed and sometimes not even seen.
Romans 8:29 – 29 For those whom He foreknew [and loved and chose beforehand], He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son [and ultimately share in His complete sanctification], so that He would be the firstborn [the most beloved and honored] among many believers. 2015 Amplified Study Bible
The word “foreknew” in the above passage speaks of God looking upon one with a special intimacy, loving relationship, “whom he foreknew” speaks of people, not actions that see in the future.
2 Corinthians317-18 – Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty [emancipation from bondage, true freedom]. 18 And we all, with unveiled face, continually seeing as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are progressively being transformed into His image from [one degree of] glory to [even more] glory, which comes from the Lord, [who is] the Spirit. 2015 Amplified Study Bible
Hebrews 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of [a]witnesses [who by faith have testified to the truth of God’s absolute faithfulness], stripping off every unnecessary weight and the sin which so easily and cleverly entangles us, let us run with endurance and active persistence the race that is set before us,
2 [looking away from all that will distract us and] focusing our eyes on Jesus, who is the Author and Perfecter of faith [the first incentive for our belief and the One who brings our faith to maturity], who for the joy [of accomplishing the goal] set before Him endured the cross, [b]disregarding the shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God [revealing His deity, His authority, and the completion of His work].
3 Just consider and meditate on Him who endured from sinners such bitter hostility against Himself [consider it all in comparison with your trials], so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. 2015 Amplified Study Bible
Galatians 5:16 But I say, walk habitually in the [Holy] Spirit [seek Him and be responsive to His guidance], and then you will certainly not carry out the desire of the [g]sinful nature [which response impulsively without regard for God and His precepts].
17 For the sinful nature has its desire which is opposed to the Spirit, and the [desire of the] Spirit opposes the [h]sinful nature; for these [two, the sinful nature and the Spirit] are in direct opposition to each other [continually in conflict], so that you [as believers] do not [always] do whatever [good things] you want to do.
18 But if you are guided and led by the Spirit, you are not subject to the Law.
19 Now the practices of the [i]sinful nature are clearly evident: they are sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality (total irresponsibility, lack of self-control),
20 [j]idolatry, [k]sorcery, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions [that promote heresies],
21 envy, drunkenness, riotous behavior, and other things like these. I warn you beforehand, just as I did previously, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit [the result of His presence within us] is love [unselfish concern for others], joy, [inner] peace, patience [not the ability to wait, but how we act while waiting], kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such things, there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the [l]sinful nature together with its passions and appetites.
25 If we [claim to] live by the [Holy] Spirit, we must also walk by the Spirit [with personal integrity, godly character, and moral courage—our conduct empowered by the Holy Spirit]. 26 We must not become conceited, challenging or provoking one another, envying one another. 2015 Amplified Study Bible
Romans 7:14 We know that the Law is spiritual, but I am a creature of the flesh [worldly, self-reliant—carnal and unspiritual], sold into slavery to sin [and serving under its control].
15 For I do not understand my own actions [I am baffled and bewildered by them]. I do not practice what I want to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate [and yielding to my human nature, my worldliness—my sinful capacity].
16 Now if I habitually do what I do not want to do, [that means] I agree with the Law, confessing that it is good (morally excellent).
17 So now [if that is the case, then] it is no longer I who do it [the disobedient thing which I despise], but the sin [nature] which lives in me.
18 For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh [my human nature, my worldliness—my sinful capacity]. For the willingness [to do good] is present in me, but the doing of good is not.
19 For the good that I want to do, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want to do, I am no longer the one doing it [that is, it is not me that acts], but the sin [nature] which lives in me.
21 So I find it to be the law [of my inner self], that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
22 I joyfully delight in the law of God in my inner self [with my new nature],
23 but I see a different law and rule of action in the members of my body [in its appetites and desires], waging war against the law of my mind and subduing me and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is within my members.
24 Wretched and miserable man that I am! Who will [rescue me and] set me free from this body of death [this corrupt, mortal existence]?
25 Thanks be to God [for my deliverance] through Jesus Christ our Lord! 2015 Amplified Study Bible
Romans 8:11 And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead lives in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you.
12 So then, [a]brothers and sisters, we have an obligation, but not to our flesh [our human nature, our worldliness, our sinful capacity], to live according to the [impulses of the] flesh [our nature without the Holy Spirit]—
13 for if you are living according to the [impulses of the] flesh, you are going to die. But if [you are living] by the [power of the Holy] Spirit you are habitually putting to death the sinful deeds of the body, you will [really] live forever.
14 For all who are allowing themselves to be led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading again to fear [of God’s judgment], but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons [the Spirit producing sonship] by which we [joyfully] cry, “[b]Abba! Father!”
16 The Spirit Himself testifies and confirms together with our spirit [assuring us] that we [believers] are children of God. 2015 Amplified Study Bible
The wicked sinful and evil flesh can grow corrupt because of the deceitful lusts of the flesh. We are to put off the old man and all of its evil desires. Jesus told us how serious this is, and we need to quit playing around with our pet sins. This is spiritual warfare my brothers and sisters in Christ. Did not Jesus say in the Gospel after saying that even if you look at another women and lust after her in your heart you have already and really in the eyes of God committed the sin of adultery? He says anger is the same as murder. That is why the root of all murder is anger, (thou shalt not kill/murder) is the sin of anger. The apostle said “do not let the sun go down upon your anger, giving place or opportunity to the devil. When we harbor anger, which is murder within the heart, we actually open ourselves up for the temptation of the devil to bring division. Allowing for his evil schemes. wicked influences and demonic works in intimate connection with our sin of anger, to kill, steal and destroy, That is we allow demonic inroads into our lives. Anger almost always leads to bitterness and by it many become defiled. The devil is roaming about seeking whom he may devour so we must be vigilant and alert. But first and foremost submitted to God so that we can resist the Devil, having God’s promise that he will flee as we resist the devil and obey the Lord. Remembering the very purpose Jesus came and died on the Cross and rose from the dead was to destroy the works of the evil one. As stated in 1 John3:8 – 8 The one who practices sin [separating himself from God, and offending Him by acts of disobedience, indifference, or rebellion] is of the devil [and takes his inner character and moral values from him, not God]; for the devil has sinned and violated God’s law from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. So Jesus says it is time to get real and quit playing church, your eternal soul rest is in the balance. If your eye offends thee, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter into heaven with one eye than to enter into hell with two. If your hand offends you and causes you to sin habitually, cut it off because it is better for you to enter into heaven with one hand than to enter into hell with two. We know Jesus was speaking metamorphically. He was saying it was time to get radical, with a Holy anger, and hate what our Holy God hates, cling to that which is good Holy and Pleasing to God, but cast away as an unclean thing with a Holy hatred that which God despises, To beg God to remove our eyes from looking at worthless things. To kill, mortify, put to death besetting, habitual remaining remnants of sin and even secret sins. Even sins we think are ok in life because we all do it. God forbid, away with such a thought. God is a Holy God and demands that we be Holy as he is Holy. Without holiness, no one shall see the Lord.
Hebrews 12:14 – 14 Continually pursue peace with everyone, and the sanctification without which no one will [ever] see the Lord. 2015 Amplified Study Bible
Matthew 5:8 – “Blessed [anticipating God’s presence, spiritually mature] are the pure in heart [those with integrity, moral courage, and godly character], for they will see God.
Blessed in Matthew 5:8 can mean highly favored of the Lord
I say emphatically without hesitation that good works of holiness are necessary to one’s salvation. You say, Kevin now you sound contradictory. No, the basis and the only way we are saved now, continue to be saved and we ultimately be forever saved in eternity in the Presence of the Holy Lovingkindness and Tender Mercies of our God, delivered from the presence of sin forever is by grace through faith in Jesus and that not of works. it is the gift of God. No one can boast except in the Lord Jesus Christ. Take your eyes off of yourself and look through the eyes of faith at Christ your Saviour. You will see that it is by God’s grace alone, through Faith in Christ alone, Because of Christ alone, (it is finished) to the Glory of God alone,
You say, “well Kevin what do you mean when you say THAT GOOD WORKS OF HOLINESS ARE ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL AND NECESSARILLY EMPHATIC TO OUR ETERNAL SALVATION. I mean this. I do not believe in once saved always saved with a license to sin, I mean to live a lifestyle of wickedness after someone professed Christ as his Lord and Saviour. HOLY GOOD WORKS ARE THE EVIDENCE THAT YOUR SALVATION IS GENUINE, REAL AND TRUE. IT IS HOW YOU MAKE YOUR CALLING AND ELECTION SURE,
Romans 8:13 – for if you are living according to the [impulses of the] flesh, you are going to die. But if [you are living] by the [power of the Holy] Spirit you are habitually putting to death the sinful deeds of the body, you will [really] live forever. 2015 Amplified Study Bible
So we as Christians need to cry out to God to create within us a clean heart, a right, faithful, loving, obedient, holy heart that fears God (fear that is coupled with love) always and that he will renew a right spirit within us.
Psalms 51 is A Contrite Sinner’s Prayer for Pardon, forgiveness and mercy.
Psalms 51:1 – Have mercy on me, O God, according to Your lovingkindness;
According to the greatness of Your compassion blot out my transgressions.
Wash me thoroughly from my wickedness and guilt
And cleanse me from my sin.
I am conscious of my transgressions and I acknowledge them;
My sin is always before me. (Have you ever felt that way, I have. “My sin is always before me.” I think it is because we have not seen sin before a Holy God for what it is. In Romans 7 the exceedingly sinfulness of sin before a Holy God, oh the Madness of Luther). Thank you R. C, Sproul
Against You, You only, have I sinned
And done that which is evil in Your sight,
So that You are justified when You speak [Your sentence]
And faultless in Your judgment.
I was brought forth in [a state of] wickedness;
In sin, my mother conceived me [and from my beginning I, too, was sinful].
Behold, You desire truth in the innermost being,
And in the hidden part [of my heart] You will make me know wisdom.
Purify me with [a]hyssop, and I will be clean;
Wash me, and I will be whiter than snow.
Make me hear joy and gladness and be satisfied;
Let the bones which You have broken rejoice.
Hide Your face from my sins
And blot out all my iniquities.
Create in me a clean heart, O God,
And renew a right and steadfast spirit within me.
Do not cast me away from Your presence
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
Restore to me the joy of Your salvation
And sustain me with a willing spirit.
The sustaining grace of Christ and keeping the power of the Holy Spirit. We will persevere to the end because we are preserved by the Grace of God. Jesus in John 6 came down to do the will of the Father in John 6:38. In verse 39 Jesus says, “this is the will of my Father that all he has given me, I should lose none, and raise them up on the last day. Look at the continuance, Losing none and raising them up on the last day. Just like I heard Dr. James White say many times, it is impossible for Jesus to fail to do the will of the Father. Jesus will lose none that the Father gives Him, which John 37 says all that “are given will come to him and will in no wise cast them out.” That is the strongest negation in the Greek. So Jesus will lose none that he gives eternal life to and will raise them up on the last day. Glorification, delivered from the presence of sin forever, seeing Jesus face to face, the one who saved us by His grace. In a new and glorified body, I might add. Praise to the Glory of His grace who works all things after the counsel of His will according to His own Good Pleasure. Good enough for me Lord. You are God, I am not. You are Sovereign who is in the heavens and you do whatever you please. The council of sinful man is nothing, for it is the council and purpose of God that will stand and last forever. You are the potter I am a pot. Do with me as you will.
As Romans 8:13 says above in 3 different places we as the Loving Father’s objects of Grace, Born Again or From Above by God the Holy Spirit, with Life and immortality being brought to light through the instrumentality of the Gospel. We should be about the business of killing, mortifying and daily putting to death sins that want to manifest themselves through our bodies.
It is not a suggestion for the Christian. It is a Holy Obligation. that has nothing to do with a preference or to situations being just right. It is a Command of God straight from God’s Holy Word Spoken to us, to be Holy as he is Holy., For without Hoiness no man shall see the Lord. it is accomplished by the sanctifying grace of Christ through the inward indwelling power and means of the Holy Spirit, as we yield and cooperate with God the Holy Spirit whose ministry is conforming us to the image of the Son of God. It is in the fear of the Lord coupled with the Love of God that we will cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and the spirit. Remember it does say “spirit” also.
If we are not about the business of daily killing sin, sin will be killing us” John Owen
So, saying all of that, I make this one final plea for the namesake of Christ and the glory of God. For whether to eat or drink or whatever we do, let us do all for the Glory of God.
Eric, who I do know no all that well, I am not even sure if he likes me, but I will pursue peace with all men, as much as is possible and is in my power. I would beseech him by the mercies of God to clean up this site (Soteriolpgy101) so that it will Glorify the God who saved Him. I call upon Eric who is the Administrator or any other Administrators (if there are any, also Dr. Flowers) to sanctify and make Holy this site for the Glory of God.
At this time there is sinful, name-calling, mud-slinging, sinful ad hominem bashing, evil words being spoken with tongues that are set on fire by hell, Tongues that on Sunday morning bless God and then on Soteriology101 curse men, Such things ought not to be, God forbid!!
I know the person I am about to mention is not a fan favorite. Dr. James White. I will be the first to admit he is a little rough around the edges but do I see any great sinful character flaws. No more than I see in Dr. Flowers. If you see them, show me. But be sure you are not sinfully judging Dr, White, by comparing him to other people. His Master is able to make Him stand or fall, and Dr. White will Stand firm in the Grace of Christ, letting the Word of God’s Grace prevail within him, becoming more sanctified daily. It is easy to sit in judgment of others. But how many of you in gentleness and love can persevere in Prayer for Dr. White until you see the Beauty of Holiness blossom forth in Christlikeness in the areas he is still lacking in the Spirit’s sanctification. A big part of it is just the way God made Dr. White. He has a very strong personality and people are taken back by that. But in every debate, I have watched he has conducted himself accordingly. Then just like the women caught in adultery, he that is without sin, here on Soteriology101 let him or her cast the first stone. Not one of you or me has sinless perfection. People who live in glass houses should not cast stones. We all are plagued by the remaining remnants of sin. Read the Apostle Paul again in Romans 7. The things he wanted to do that were godly loving and holy he did not do habitually, but the things he hated, he found himself at times still doing. Is this not true and keeps us humble before God and going back to the throne of Grace to receive mercy and forgiving grace. And begging our God as we look in faith to Christ for greater supplies of sanctifying grace to kill and mortify sin and put on Christ and His Holy Virtues. As we confess our sins God promises to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness with the Holy Blood of Jesus Christ.
So like I said, I do not think this way to long post, which is an open letter to Soteriology101 which will be posted on my WordPress site (and other social blogging sites) will be posted here.
I am not sure where I stand with Eric, I have found through reading the things on here of what he has written he seems to have a deep-seated ill-will hatred of Calvinism. In one place on Soteriology101, where it seemed (I did not read it well but got the gist of it and did read Eric’s words that were very clear) Calvinist had a falling out and Eric made a comment I believe to Brian Wagner, that he did not care if it kept going if it kept people from believing in the Calvinist Doctrine. Calvinism to the Reformed Believer is only a nick-name for what is revealed in the Word of God’s Grace.
So I am not sure if Eric is welcoming me as a brother in Christ or not, or wants me to go away. He is never said that, so I will believe the best about him. There just seems to some undercurrent when he is talking to me like he is keeping me at a distance for some reason. I am not looking for special attention. Jesus gives me that, I just want to know he welcomes me as a true brother in Christ despite our differences and not seem so grouchy in his responses and comments to me. Now I know and admit I could be completely wrong about Eric and in advance say so. It is hard to know what a person is feeling when blogging. So I could be completely wrong, Could just be Eric’s personality. Which is fine. It is ok if we never talk, I just want to know that he and I are ok in Christ despite our differences. I do no need Eric, nor am I craving his attention or stalking him. He does not complete me. I am complete in Christ.
This one last thing. On any of Dr, James White’s Social Site’s. When someone, it does not matter who it is, comes and says something negative or sinful with their tongue about Dr, Flowers. That post is immediately deleted and that person is banned permanently for life.
That is Holy Christlike Administration to the Glory of God that abstains from the cursing of the tongue of men who were created in the image of God.
God bless and once again may the grace of Christ be with you always. Hope I did not offend anyone as I desire to pursue peace with all as much as is possible as it lies with me.